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Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum
      #8074 - 02/28/05 01:30 PM

In the past six months, more than 1,400 Iraqi Policemen have sacrificed their lives, and this month alone, more than 100 Iraqi cops have been killed in the line of duty. The police are attacked at every turn: while working dangerous checkpoints, running convoys, overseeing recruitment lines, even waiting to pick up their monthly $200 paycheck.

The vicious insurgent attacks are an every day occurrence for Iraqi police and other security force members—the very symbols of a free Iraq. Vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices are detonated at checkpoints and suicide bombers aim to wipe out entire police stations. Recruitment sites, where Iraqi security forces are abundant, are convenient and symbolic targets for the relentless insurgents. Convoys are ambushed, patrols are bombed with homemade devices, and IEDs are detonated along police beats. Police officers are kidnapped. Then they are executed.

The inconceivable risks aside, the police continue to persistently battle the rebels that plague the streets of Iraq. With fearless patrols, bold arrests and a raw intensity, the police effort made today influences the very future of the country. For in the next few years, the security of the citizens of Iraq will rest squarely in the hands of the Iraqi police. The world is watching.


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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: Jon]
      #8076 - 02/28/05 07:26 PM

I can understand why the insurgents would kill American soldiers - we're an occupying force in their country. Their tactics are horrible and abhorrent, and they are fighting for ideological reasons, but that does not change the fact that they are fighting an occupying force. Unfortunately, American soldiers are legitimate strategic targets. That doesn't change the sadness of their deaths or the horror of war, but it is a fact of war.

However, to attack fellow Iraqis often leaves people asking, "Why would they kill their own people?"

The answer is simple. The majority of insurgents are Islamic Fundamentalists that kill infidels at the behest of the Koran. If you don't think that the Koran calls for the killing of infidels, check out a list of Surrah passages that I compiled that say just that:
http://atheists.meetup.com/188/boards/view/viewthread?thread=1246568

But why are they killing their fellow Muslims? The Koran can answer that one for us, too.

Surrah 4:144 says, "O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer God an open proof against yourselves?"

Iraqis that help the Americans are seen as befriending the infidel - the unbeliever, and are therefore infidels themselves - having proved themselves against Allah. The punishment for aiding the infidel when the infidel is attacking Islam is death.

Iraqi police, security forces, workers in the Green Zone, and others that participate in the democratization of Iraq are seen as equal to the infidel, the Great Satan.

Islam, unlike the other major religions of the world (Hinduism, Christianity, etc.) has not undergone a reformation. Christianity was a brutal religion that conquered by the sword in the name of God until the reformation. Hinduism, while not as brutal, was dictatorial until their reformation (Hinduism actually had two reformations - the second one by the hands and words of Gandhi).

Islam is today where Christianity was 500 years ago (Islam is about 500 years younger than Christianity). To understand why Islam is behaving as it is today - ask yourself what was Christianity doing 500 years ago? Islam must undergo a reformation if it is to ever coexist with democracy and grant the Holy Trinity of humanity: equality, education, and economics.

Unlike Christianity, Islam is facing worldwide communications (Internet, satellite, etc.) and instead of opening up (like Christianity did with the printing press and later with global travel) it is shutting itself in and isolating itself from the outside world. This is not what we want to happen if we are to ever see peace in any corner of the Islamic world.

If you disagree, ask yourself this simple question: Name one place in the world where Islam resides that IS NOT in conflict internally or with its neighbors? The answer: NONE.

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: RM1Scott]
      #8077 - 02/28/05 07:55 PM

RM1 did you write that yourself or copy and paste? lol I'm messing. Good job! Very informative.

you're pretty knowledgable about the Iraqi crapi going on. One questioned I have wondered. When we caught Saddam down in that rat hole why did he have US currency? I know this is way off topic but I have wondered that since we caught him.

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: BUTTPIRATE]
      #8078 - 02/28/05 08:04 PM

I wrote that myself. I don't plagiarize.

Iraqi currency is useless outside the borders of Iraq. Trying to use Iraqi currency anywhere other than Iraq (before the war, that is) was like trying to use Monopoly money - you might get a few cents just for the cost of the paper it was printed on.

American money, the dollar, is valuable everywhere and is a huge commodity. Whenever I traveled anywhere in Europe and the Middle East I always kept a lot of one dollar bills on me to pay taxi drivers, tip bellmen, etc., becuase they would rather have the dollar than their own currency. The dollar would get them more of their own currency at the exchange, where for us, what's a simply buck?

I paid my taxi driver $10 in Romania and he was jubilant. Apparently that was worth a few month's salary to him. He was my personal taxi driver the whole time I was there and each day I gave him a $10 at the end of the day before I went to bed.

Of course American money is easier to launder, but that's another topic altogether.

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: RM1Scott]
      #8080 - 02/28/05 09:30 PM

Now that you mention it that is true. I have been all over the world and they all want american money. I knew it but I had a big brain fart for the last year or is it 2 years. Thanks Rev.

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: BUTTPIRATE]
      #8102 - 03/01/05 06:11 PM

dont forget the smokes. The entire civilized world can pronounce Marlboro. If you aint got the cabbage, a pack of cigarettes will do

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: Axeman]
      #8105 - 03/01/05 08:32 PM

Granted. But there's a difference between Marlboro and American Marlboro. Marlboro has a European manufacturing plant that uses European tobacco for European sales.

If you can get a hold of a lot of American Marlboro Reds (hereafter referred to as AMR) you have a huge trump card in price negotiations. I used to get AMR for $8/carton and then would use them to barter. You couldn't sell them because that was black market. Their street value was around $150/carton. You could make a lot of money if you were willing to risk arrest.

While black market was illegal, it was not illegal to exchange the cigarettes for goods and services. I paid my landlord with 5 cartons of AMR each month. That meant my rent was only $40, but he sold them to local tobacco shops for almost $700. Each of us got what we wanted and I got my COLA for rent in my pocket instead of my landlord's.

I also used them at the market to exchange for furniture, clothes, etc. We bought an entire living room set for two cartons of AMR.

Another hot commodity was Zippos and Levis. Levi jeans could get you $150 or equal value in goods. Zippos cost $7 on the ship ($10 if you got one with a design on it) and they were L100,000 (about $90 depending on exchange rate) in the local shops.

All these things were great for getting laid. Every night I went out I brought three packs of AMR (I smoked Salem) and a couple of Zippos (I used my Bic). When a girls asked me for a cigarette I gave her the whole pack. If a girl asked me for a light I gave her the Zippo. 100% of the time this resulted in having a great night with the girl at the club - dancing and talking. About 50% of the time it resulted in excursions outside the hotel... quivering in the sheets. LOL

It was cheaper than hookers, anyway.

Of course then I got married and all that stopped. Sigh......

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: RM1Scott]
      #8107 - 03/02/05 08:14 AM

What are the women like? Are they pretty? Or do they look like BP. How's the hygene? Are they attracted to Americans? I need to know these things!

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: Shiftman]
      #8108 - 03/02/05 10:06 AM

It is my personal opinion that the most beautiful women on the planet come from two places: Spain and Italy (my wife is half Spanish). When I first went to Italy I had images of the Old Italian grandmother with the giant moles, facial hair, and bushy armpits dressed in the all black dress (thanks to the Godfather movie stereotype).

Granted, some of those women existed, but it's a dying breed. The new Italian woman is modern and a bit westernized. Most Italian women shave their legs and armpits, but there are a few who don't. The few Italian women that I dated that did not shave their armpits was, surprisingly, not a turn off. When between the sheets it didn't matter if they had hair under their arms or not. Of course in the long run, the shaved armpit was sexier.

The two countries that I had a harder time finding beautiful women (I'm basing this on the Marilyn Monroe standard, of course) were Germany and England. There are beautiful women there, but not at a high proportion based on per capita, unlike Italy and Spain where the per capita percentage of beautiful women is much higher.

Admittedly, deodorant is not "all that" in many European countries, but you get used to that after a few weeks. There are many Europeans that use deodorant, but you know quickly who doesn't when you're on the train or bus. LOL

One thing you have to avoid when going to countries like these is to come across as a cocky and arrogant American. Take the time and effort to learn a bit of the language and culture. If you make the effort you will be treated with more respect and they'll appreciate you (yes, even in France).

Every country that I went to I tried to learn the basic language (hi, bye, how are you, what's your name, how much is this, where's the bathroom, etc.) and the first place I went when I hit the ground was a local clothing store to buy local clothing (even in the Middle East). I got as far away from my fellow Americans as I could.

I did this because all they wanted to do was get drunk and hit the strip clubs. Okay, the strip clubs in most European countries are WAY better than American ones, but I can get drunk and see naked women any time. I'm in a new country with so much to experience. I traveled all over, to cities, small towns, rural areas, etc. I went hiking and explored the countryside. I visited ruins and explored ancient cities. My fellow sailors had fun for a few hours before vomiting in the berthing trashcan - I had fun 24/7 (okay, there were a few incidents, but we won't get into that). Their souvenirs were stained clothes and smelly breath - my souvenirs were memories that will last a lifetime.

Here's a hint for you Texas boys: when traveling overseas leave your dinner plate buckles and cowboy hat at home. If you wear those overseas you might as well wear a t-shirt with a bulls eye painted on it that says "Terrorist strike here."

Since Americans are sexually frustrated (thank to leftover Puritanism, Victorianism, and an insistent hypocrisy by the Religious Right) please make sure you make an extra effort not to ogle and drool when visiting the topless and nude beaches. It's rude and it makes the women uncomfortable. They are topless and nude because it is natural and beautiful and not seen as something sexual. When drooling Americans arrive on the beach they put their clothes back on because their natural beauty has become a sexual perversion and it makes them uncomfortable. The American women had a hard time at the beaches because they had the wrong view of sexuality ingrained into them with their American upbringing. Luckily a few of them got over it and decided that nudity was natural and not always sexual. Good for them!

NEVER tell an Italian girl, "Que bella!" (How beautiful) While it may seem appropriate from American standards, it is actually an insulting phrase because it is associated with prostitution.

Oh yeah, in Greece an outward exposed open palm toward someone is the same thing as flipping someone off in America - so don't throw your palm out to stop traffic like we do in the United States. LOL

Here’s something I learned in the Middle East (Oh yeah, there are very good looking women in Middle Eastern countries). Unlike the silliness that “President” Bush espouses, they DON’T hate us for our freedom. They actually admire our freedoms and most of them like our culture. They don’t hate America or Americans (exceptions provided for, of course). What they hate is our foreign policy. Who can blame them? We’ve been screwing the Middle East since the Treaty of Tripoli.

I had a wonderful time in every Middle Eastern country that I visited and the people were wonderful. I never felt threatened at all (I’m only talking about the times I was a tourist. Sorry, I can’t get into the military stuff.). When a Muslim said something about American foreign policy I would agree with them (even if I didn’t). This made me their best friend. We would talk about foreign policy and I learned a lot from them about how Washington decisions affect the daily lives of Middle Easterners.

Then they would want to know what life in America was like. When talking to them you sensed a bit of envy in some cases. Rarely would I describe American life and find a Muslim that was repulsed (granted, I didn’t hang out in places where the Fundamentalists did). They were curious and wanted to know more. They knew quotes from movies and knew our actors/actresses and they loved Levis and Old Navy.

So if you’re traveling overseas here are my country recommendations based on what you’re looking for:

Party Central: Gibraltar
Ruins and Ancient civilization: Turkey, Italy, and Greece (in that order)
Food: Italy
Women: Spain and Italy
Culture: Egypt

Ciao, mi amici

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Re: Welcome to the Iraqi Police forum new [Re: RM1Scott]
      #8109 - 03/02/05 12:36 PM

Since Americans are sexually frustrated (thank to leftover Puritanism, Victorianism, and an insistent hypocrisy by the Religious Right)


That's your opinion and doesn't apply to all of them. Get it together in reason you hypocrite!!!! LOL. By the wy, you forgot to mention Brazil as another country with the most beautiful women. With exception to some of the booty clans. OR CLAMS...lmao.

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